drop AF

May i suggest that the cost of a Relic piece be moved up to say 15-20 points. With the current system those that started first will allways be first and get all the pieces they want before anyone else gets a look in. Unless those of us that started later are lucky enough for those members to be away on the run an item happens to drop or the leaders already have the piece. Just something to consider, maybe put to a vote?

I just dont think it adds up to have gear cost less than one full run. how is anyone supposed to catch up?

ben je vois que je ne suis pas le seul a en parler...

Je suis d'accord avec low. pour le drop des af que se soit en lot ou en free. Les personnes qui ont commencé les dynas depuis le debut sont on peut dire favorisé pour les afs.

De plus , comme on ma dit, il fo pour pouvoir lot ou free avoir le job a 65 minimum, or beaucoups d'af dernierement on été free ( et non free anonyme ) alors ke les job etais tres inférieur a 65. certes cela ne me dérange pas, mais a se moment la que l'on retire des point..... pour équilibrer un peu et etre plus juste.

Autre chose, c'est de limiter a 1 af sur le run, si la personne obtient un af lot, elle ne devrai plus avoir la possibilité d avoir un af free, et inversement.... cela donnerai un peu plus de chance aux autres personnes...

Se ne sont que des petites remarques personnelles,
merci & bon jeu sur ff

I Have absolutely no idea what you guys are saying



{auto translate}

Je suis désolé, je ne parle pas du français

I Tryed placing your text into a translating site but it still makes little to no sense ; ;

Dont worry loweko, I'm French and I don't always understand all Mrprop's words either....
More seriously, I'll try to translate it tomrrow...

I found out that my sisters housemate is french

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“Evangelys said: ok i see i'm
not alone to say that...



I do agree with low. For the drop of
af whether in "lot" or in "free". People were starting the
"dynas" since the beginning are faboured for the "afs".

response

yes and no, they're not favoured more than others.


I explain:
like you said they are here since more time than you. So they just had their
"AF" than they wanted in points.
Look on the previous "run" it's a lot of AF in "free lot"
and few in points
then the gap scare
already the same
personnaly i keep my points for my AF dyna beacedine and xabacar, so I must
have more points in AF
you turn to make a good deal with your points and your AF that you really
need
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question
Somebody told me we need to have the "job" at 65 minimum to have
"lot or free", so a lot of work were "free" ( and not free
anonym ), and the "jobs" were inferior at 65. It's not a problem but
we can remove some point to balance.


response

go back to the forum to read the rules
for "lot" you really need the "job" at 65


for
"free lot" no rules on the "lvl"
why remove points? no reason to remove points. If the guy wanted this AF, he
put it in "lot" point, so if he fall down it's the "lot"
points priority, if it's somebody who has it in "free lot" it's
because nobody wanted it and no problem at the nivel of others gamers

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question

Last things, limited 1 AF on the run, if the guy obtain a "af lot",
he didn't have an other possibility to have an other "AF free" and
inversely... this will give more luck to the others players....





reponse

same thing, if you really need a "AF" you will pu it in
"lot" point and you will be prority, the one who no need it or just
have the "job lvl" at 25 30 40 50 .......... will put it in
"free lot"
So if nobody wants that in point why lost AF?

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It was just personal remarks, thanks and good game on FF.


response



This forum it's for that
There isn't stupid question and no stupid answer
Regarding the loosing of the points on AF it's maybe one thing to see, why not,
actually it's at 5, i will think about that
It will have some modifications on the rules, i will tell you that later

See you "
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I spoke to MrP yesterday and gave
him an example that i think really illustrates my point. Here it is again but
with math that works XD




MrProp and Loweko are both after
full thief Relic armour. Loweko has 70 points and MrProp 100 points when we
start with 0/5 pieces each. They both select point lot each run and it is assumed
that one thief Relic drops each run.





Run 1 = MrProp 101 point 1/5
relic, Loweko = 76 point 0/5 relic


Run 2 = MrProp 102 point 2/5
relic, Loweko = 82 point 0/5 relic


Run 3 = MrProp 103 point 3/5
relic, Loweko = 88 point 0/5 relic


Run 4 = MrProp 104 point 4/5
relic, Loweko = 94 point 0/5 relic


Run 5 = MrProp 105 point 5/5
relic, Loweko = 100 point 0/5 relic





This is pretty depressing for
Loweko no? And this is a best case example. Not taking into account for example
other members who achieve their main jobs armour and decide thief is next for
them.


I'll post translation as soon as i get it ^^

Translation of Mrprop's post :

Evengelys said :
Well I see I'm not the only on talking about this...
I agree with Loweko about AF drops, either they're point or free lot. We can say that
player who have attended runs since the begining are favoured on AF lotting.

Mr answered :
Yes or no... they are not so more favoured than others, I explain :
As you said, they attended more runs than you so they have already had some of the AFs
they wanted, with their points. Look at previous runs, many AF were free and a few were
point lot.
About points gap, which always affraid new players :
Personally I store my points for Beaucedine & Xarcabard AFs, so I have more points than
players who use theirs to lot.
You have to deal well with your points to lot AFs you really need.

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Evangelys said :
And I was told that in order to pont or free lot an AF, you must be at least lvl 65.
Many AFs have been recently free lotted (and it was not free lot for anyone) although
jobs were far from lvl 65. Presonally I don't mind this, but in that case, it should
cost some points... in order to balance points and to be fair.

Mrprop answered :
You should go back and check rules on forum. You must be lvl 65 to point lot an AF, but
there is no level restriction for free lot.
There is no reason taking points for free lot. The player who really wishes en AF will
point lot it, as if it drops point lot has priority over free lot.
If AF is given free lot, that means that no player really wanted it so there should be
no problem with others.

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Evan said :
Other thing, we should limit to 1 AF lot per run. If someone got an AF, he souldn't be
allowed to lot another one in the same run... this way, it would let other players more
chance to get AFs

Mrprop aswered :
Same here, if you really need or want an AF you'll point lot it, and /seacom free lot
for AF you don't actually need or low leveled jobs.
If no one point lot an AF it would be idiot to loose it as we can give it free lot to
other player.

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Evan said :
These are just personal notes, thank you and good game on FFXI

Mrprop :
This part of the forum is made for that.
There is no silly question or answer (well I think mine are not... ^ ^)
About point lot cost, maybe we could think about it. Why not ... it costs now 5 points,
we'll discuss this. Anyway it change occurs, it'll be notifyed on forum and we'll tell
during run ...
see you in game .... Mrprop

Hi loweko,

Your example seems correst, theoritically... but if fact it does not actually work this way.

- 1st : players with more points than you might already got the AF you want, so they won't lot it again.

examples:
- I have more points than you, but already got 2 THF AFs, so if they drop you'll have the chance to lot them, with less point than me.
- Look last run, Mobius got PLD AF with only 6 points cause Dect Kiki & I already got it

- 2nd : also keep in mind that players with many jobs 75 dont want full relic armor set for each job, they sometimes think other piece of gear is better than AF and won't lot it to save inventory place

- 3rd : your math example is too theoritical and does not include chance factor. The same piece of AF can drop 3 times in the same run.... and then may not drop during months.... that's dyna...

ex: In my 1rst dyna shell, I was the only one lotting PLD and I attended runs during 6 months, with no PLD drop The second shell I joined, PLD Head dropped on 1rst run ans I could lot it with 0 point

Chance factor is very important in Dyna runs... and I really wish you to get AF soon...

see you in game

Gheila

My problem is that, to catch up to point leaders i can't spend any points as they dont loose any even if they point lot a piece of gear each run ( 6 - 5 = +1). The reason i want to catch up to the lead is that i want my thief hands before ppl that want there main jobs gear first, get it and decide to move onto thief. for example.

say mrprop did get item drop but on same run wolftinne and issime get the only pieces they wanted for there main and they want thief hands for farming. now they can point lot on it and i'm still very far back in points behind them. I'm not saying it can't happen. I'm saying with the number of relic dropping per run to players attending that it is likly that point leaders will always be those that started LS first.

Maybe i'm going about my point and free lots wrong.

Has anymore consideration gone into a relic piece point change?

Loweko1 a écrit:

Has anymore consideration gone into a relic piece point change?

yo loweko

je ne pense pas changer le system de point
car le faite de mettre une AF a -10 ( par exemple ) ne change rien
le decalage que tu a par rapport a autres player est juste un decalage de temps
tu est arrivé apres eux donc obligatoirement tu a moin de points ( logique )

si j'ecoute ton system je doit l'apliquer aussi au nouveau qui vienne d'arrivé
donc il vont etre decalé par rapport a toi donc je devraie encore changer le system de point pour eux
en gros ca vas donner pour les anciens -20 points pour une AF
pour ceux qui sont arriver en meme temps que toi -10 points
et pour les nouveau -5 points
c ingerrable
de plus je ne suis pas sur que ca règle réelement le problème
je me prend pour exemple
si j'ai + de points que les autres c que je me suis privée sur d'autre AF
regarde issime gheila kiki .............. on a tous commencer en meme temps
seulement ils ont moin de point que moi
eux on points lot des AF moi non
par contre je me suis fixer un but avoir mes AF RDM torse et tête donc j'ai economiser au maximum mes point et souvent mis les AF en free lot plutot que en point
mais je repete la seul difference que tu a en point par rapport a moi est juste que tu na pas commencer la LS en meme temps que nous

@+mrprop

Only the People that joined the Linkshell at the beginning can use your stratagy effectivly. There is no point in anyone else saving points as all the point leaders have to spend so few points each armor piece, that they would have to take 10 + pieces of Relic EACH for you to catch up to them.

Everyone else might as well point lot each run and hope that the leaders choose another piece.

P.S. I have no idea what your reply said as the {Auto Translate} site failed me again and my sisters housemate returned to france for the holidays.

I think gheila translate this week ^^
ty gheila

@+mrprop

Thank you Gheila